Yes, after many years of performance I realized is it standard to set a drum set up the way we do? Was it taught? or assumed? Drummers realize that setup and comfortability are important factors. I think we need to experiment and discover what works for us. A different approach. Being right-handed would I have started with using my left-hand ride and hihat from the start as an option. The longer we perform we realize a different way of thinking. Open your mind to many possibilities, create as you imagine to play and listen to the music.
I did this about a year ago with my kit and absolutely love it. I specifically did 12 and 8 mounted and a 14 inch floor tom on the right. Your comments on the ride cymbal with the 8 is spot on.
YES! Been playing for 40 years and switched to this 15 years ago. I’ll never go back. All rack mount. Rack mount sustains and sounds bigger than floor toms; and allows use of smaller size toms without losing low pitch. Try opening your hands by pushing the hat forward next to high tom. It’s still cross hand style but your sticks are never “crossed”. It unhandcuffs you and opens even more doors. Especially for flow and power.; brings your left tom closer too. (cut the pole short on your hat) Also, if like, you can eliminate the right rack tom and bring your ride down real low like a standard 4pc set up. The entire kit becomes low like it’s set on a table in front of you. Great on stage. You’re 100% correct about the creativity this stimulates. I love to lace my foot into the tom fills in creative ways that not only sound kool but buy time to move my hands around.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I have a friend of mine that comes to mind immediately when I listen to describe your setup. he also got me interested in the Gary Chaffee method of sticking.
Hey Gabriel, your toms sound absolutely beautiful. It was probably about ten or fifteen years ago, but I used to share a kit with a left-handed player. It got to the point where I would swap the ride/hats, snare/floor tom, and call it a day. That left me playing with a 10" mounted tom between my 12" up and 16" down, and it really suited my playing style-I usually played a four piece with 12/16, but I had all the advantages you mentioned. It's probably been about 7 or 8 years ago now, I started playing another backline kit regularly with 2up/2down. I played it straight for a while, I swapped the rack toms for a bit. Then another drummer set it up 1up/2down, leaving 12/14/16, and setting te 10 aside. I played that for a while and got used to it. Then a few years ago, I moved the 14" floor tom to the left of my hats to make a particular sticking pattern for a particular tune easier. It would bounce back and forth from time to time, but it's mostly stayed on the far side of my hats since then, and I sometimes replace it with an aux snare to try replicating some kind of effected sound if I'm feeling inspired. I guess I never really thought about it, but it's interesting how things just organically grew and I ended up with more flexibility and more tools in my belt...
A full tool belt of comfortable set-ups can be an advantages attribute for a drummer. Thank you btw, i spend a lot of time trying to get my tom tuning together.
I’ve arrived at a similar but more mirrored configuration that I am loving. 1 up 2 down because I prefer the ride mounted low on the kick and positioning auxiliary hats where most people would have a cowbell mounted to the bass drum hoop. I like smaller sizes so 20” kick, 10” rack 12” & 14”floor toms on the right & to the left of the hi hats, set at the height of a pair of “left handed” floor toms, 8” & 10” roto toms. It’s definitely inspiring some more melodic type approaches.
I used to do those exact sizes, set up the same way, except I had a djembe or a conga where you have the roto toms. As a matter of fact the drum I'm using now is the first 22" kick I ever owned.
@@DrumTipTuesday yeah I moved on from 22’s & 16’s long ago. Also forgot to mention I have a jam block mounted over the roto’s so am experimenting with stickings to achieve percussion parts with the left side & drumset parts with the right, or some combination there of.
Very interesting how your setup creates essentially two sets of toms on your kit. Your solo was exquisite and did a wonderful job of demonstrating how useful that kind of setup can be.
I play right handed, always have, but over the years I've given quite a bit of thought to starting fills with the left hand as I descend down the toms.
My exact setup. I forget where I picked it up from, but it makes it soo much more versatile. i think it stems from me marching tenors. ( yup, it was Purdie atually)
Very impressive. You’re a great drummer. I love the concept of this set up. I have always been a 3 up 2 down player. 8,10, 12 14 , 16 and some times an 18 floor. I really like this idea As for your playing it’s easy to notice you have no wasted movement in your playing and you doubles are super sweet. Love your channel. I’m a new sub
Two mounted and one floor Tom. Standard way of drums for most. I did have three mounted but I took the small one off and never put it back on. Small 8 inch I believe. Love your videos and I’ve already learned some interesting things from you so keep up the great work 👌
Glad I stumbled across your channel and this video. Not sure if I ever watched any of your videos before, but I just subscribed. I'm currently reworking my setup. Again. Lol. As of today, 10 and 12 rack toms, 16 and 18 floor tons on right, 14-in roto tom on the left. I'm using Eclipse offset double pedals so my snare is right in the middle. My hi-hats are directly between my snare and my kick, cable operated from left foot. So two up, three down. With this setup, my rack comes were a little higher than I like. But I will be able to get them better positioned once I put everything on the rack. When I came across this video, I was considering switching my 10 and 12 around like you have now.
Right handed and my set-up is. 2x24 B, 6-8-10 up left, 12-13,15 up, 18 down. Yea big but fun. Neil Peart guy. Loved the flavoring you did on the kit, sweet.
@@DrumTipTuesday Yeah, i noticed you play TIGHT. One of the last videos you did a fill breakdown on the marching snare pad. Your technique was off the chain clean. Stick heights are NOT to be underestimated. thay up stroke is super important if you are going to play clean. I marched stacked double bass, snare and sextupple tennors back in the 90's when the Dynasty drums were STUPID heavy. I think my tenors with harness weighed in at like 78, lbs or something. A heck of a lot of weight for 115lb me on the field lol. Anyway, I favor this setup for the exact reason I LOVED tenors. Save for swapping the higher vs lower floor tom sides, it is much the same pattern as a set of tenors in that you could start at your high tom with the right, then descend tonaly with natural left right sticking. It also, as you mentioned, gives you 2 sets of toms, in 2 chromatically different tone ranges. Because I play a double pedal, with my toms spaced out, it allows me to move my left pedal over the Hats to the outside. Oddly enough YT keeps deleting my other comment. Likely because I included a link to a picture of my described setup: Snare front and center, To my far FAR right I have 2 16" floor toms, with a set of closed hats between them. Above that my Ride, 10" below the Ride to my right, 12" to the left of that 13" to the left of my main hats, 10" side snare to the left of that, then above those from right to left 6 8 an 10" rototoms. I was thinking adding a ride on the left side as well, essentially making the left side of my kit a kit of it's own. I had contemplated putting aux hats aside the 10" side snare. I can ride on my paragon crash, I have my jam bloc, Roto toms, a snare if needed and a 13" tom.
@@TheDivergentDrummer Out of curiosity, do you tune the two 16" floor toms differently or do you try to match them? How do you use them? Is it sticking options related to the closed hats, or is that unrelated?
@@toomdog Well, they are tuned differently, but are also very different drums. My primary FT is a 16" Tama Starclassic Maple, with an Evans Hydraulics (red) on the batter and the original Tama branded Evans reso. The second one, is a vintage ( Narrowed it down to like 1964 ish) Stewart 16", with no reso head, and a Remo Pinstripe batter. Mostly because that is what was on it when I stole it from the other kit. I'm still going to buy a hydraulics head for it tho. Because it has no bottom head, I can get the tuning lower on it, and it hits like a cannon. I was watching a Modern Drummer piece with Thomas lang the other day ( MD solo from this year I believe) and I couldn't hlp but be amazed by the sound of his toms. So deep and airy. Then I noticed ALL his toms are concert type toms with no reso. No wonder his low toms seem so airy and fat. So low that Tim Foust would be jealous!
@@toomdog Weird, I replied to this comment. ffs RUclips is being stupid lately. Irritating to say the least, being as my comments are never short, and always have a lot of thought, and even sometimes research in them. so to have them go missing if frigging INFURIATING! So, to answer your Q: I have a kind of unique way of tuning. I like to tune my toms to their actual resonant frequency. that being said, my primary kit is a Starclassic Maple, and that 16" floor tom goes LOW. I tune that tom to the shell' resonant frequency. I like to 'science tune' my drums. In doing so, I have learned to pick up the overtones of each lug rather succinctly. So if a toms shell resonates at a an E, I'll tune the drum so that the heads are vibrating at the same frequency as the shell. So, primary floor tom, Maple shell, Evans Hydraulics on the batter and Evans G1 Genera clear (original Tama badge) on the reso. The other 16" is a circa '64 Stewart MIJ (year approximate) with no bottom head with a Remo Pinstripe, mostly because that is what was on it and i didn't have another hydraulics for it. That said, it hits like a cannon, and can go nice and low. now, my 10" side snare and my 10" tom, when tuned to where they naturally sit comfortably, with hydraulics on them, come out almost exact every time, without even trying. Ill tune them, sit down and they are identical lol. So I pitch the side snare up. It has a set of 6 8 and 10" Roto toms right there, and is seated beside a 13" racktom.
Usually 2 up 1 down- 10 12 16 with the 10 and 12 offset to the left mounted on a stand which makes for a better, lower ride placement. The ride is mounted off the bass drum's tom mount with a boom arm. Sometimes I'll add a 14 inch floor tom for 2 up 2 down to the left of the hi hats because it would make the 16 too hard to reach if I put it on the right.
I like this set up with the highest tom closer to the center and the other lower ones out to the sides. Better stereo image than the traditional high to low.
I am inspired by Jimmy Chamberlin and Stanton Moore. 14 floor tom to my left with a BFSD Halo on it to my left to mimic Stanton's pandeiro. 3 rack toms, 14 10 12 due to heavy Jimmy Chamberlin influence. Two floor toms on the right, 16 and 18.
10,12up, 14,16 floors over two 20" kicks. Right handed player but trying to teach myself to play open handed, tried to play most of my last gig open handed. Recently added 4 octobans to my left cause I've always wanted a set.
I think those are my next move. I think If my wife has anything to do with it, They will just appear here one day. May change her mind when she sees the price lol. For me, I'd put Octobans over my 2 floor toms. I've training my left side to do a lot of the leading. I really shouldn't have neglected that lol. Me it's not so much playing open handed, but being open with my feet.
@@TheDivergentDrummer that's pretty much exactly what happened to me, my wife saw them after I'd been grumbling about them for years, next thing, they were here.
Thank you. In this video I'm using Evans heads. Genera on the snare, 200 ml weight on the bottom head. On the toms I'm using G2 clear on top, random single ply clear on the bottoms. Emad on the kick
Thank you. I will make more videos on hand techniques but I do have two you may be interested in for now: This is the Drummers Best Exercise for Hand Speed ruclips.net/video/xC6zmtnupWY/видео.html These are the DRUM SECRETS of HAND TECHNIQUE youtu.be/s2bdv7h
Right handed. 12" up, 14" down generally. Sometimes a 16" floor tom on the left. And an SPD-SX lives between the 12" and the 14". Though I'm thinking of swapping those two positions, having the 12" tom in tom 2 position and the SPD in tom 1 position to get it even closer to centre of all the action. I'm already a lot happier having the SPD in tom 2 position as it makes incorporating it into grooves a lot easier than having it left of hats or over the 14" floor tom. So I'm thinking it will be a worthwhile experiment.
Any time I have to do triggers I tend to put it on the left. I think the next time I use triggers I'll try it where you have yours now. Thanks for commenting
AWESOME video! Love your conceptual playing. My question is how do you pan the mics/channels? Do you pan them according to how they are set up? Or the traditional way? I know that this question would probably sound like it has an obvious answer, but I seriously don't know how you handle the panning situation. Would you please explain? Thank you again for your great video!
Subscribed to your channel while watching this video. Love your approach. More cerebral, yet practical content. You have found your own unique niche. All the Best to You with your channel!
Thank you for noticing the audio production. I pan from the performer perspective which is just opposite of the typical. I do this because I record drum lessons and so the performer is also the audience. Also be careful to pan the overheads the same as the close mics (I made that mistake lol)
@@DrumTipTuesdayThank you so much for your reply! I pan the same way, although my kit is a traditional 2 up, 2 down setup. Please forgive the coming "name drop", it's relevant. 😂 I work from time to time with Andy Bradley, who is a multi Grammy Award Winning recording engineer. He helped me get my audio mixer settings, levels, etc. all set up for recording drum tracks. Of course, I HAD to ask him how he panned everything. He does it just like you and me! So, the point is that there is a significant amount of validation for this type of panning. So, my next question: Do you think we're total Drum Nerds????😂😂😂 Love your stuff, Brother! Keep going. All the Best to You!
I have been learning/playing for 3 years... I am 47 years old... I have a 22" bassdrum, 14" snare, 12" tom, 10" tom and 16" tom. In beteenw thw 12" ans 10" I have a 11" hi-hat and a 6" splash. At the begining it feels weird, then i realized it gave a different approach🤘👍
Thank you, the ride is the Istanbul 61st Anniversary 22". I did a whole video about the cymbals I use if you want to watch. Here: ruclips.net/video/ZcCngCUWuXs/видео.htmlsi=US4T7Iw74llISa8g
@@DrumTipTuesday Sweet. The corps says Thank you. Our corps 'The Blue Saints Drum and Bugle Corps' actually just announced their return to DCI Sound Sport for this season yesterday. They haven't been in competition since '14 I believe. Did you ever march?
I have my toms similar to these, but i have a side snare next to my 13" on my right. Basically makes it a whole other kit with Roto toms, a funky cracking high snare, Jam bloc, splash, 2 crashes and my hats right there. If I were to put Aux hats to my far far right, I could basically turn and use the slave bass drum pedal ad my main, playing the more 'percussion' side kit. Feel free to checkout my setup. I just added a 2nd set of hats this morning lol.
I just played a gig where I reversed my toms. My strategy is if I'm playing heavier sounding music I want to start with the beefier rack tom sound. I've seen Marvin McQuitty do it, I've seen Kenny Aronoff do it and I saw Marco Minnemann do it with 10",12" 8" or 12", 10" 8" Plus it doesn't help I'm a lefty playing a right handed kit lol
And ironically struck by Man..God forbid that it's 2024 and to think a woman could possibly strike a drum?..#Giuys...get with it honey..me run rings round ya man!!😄🥁
My set up is l shape with my kick at slight angle to right 8inch tom then 12 tom and then 10 inch tom and 16 floor and then 14 floor I like 12 right in front of my snare and 16 floor on my right to create l shape the 8 and 10 and 14 are all just for flavour i can create some cool fills by starting left hand on 8 to my left the 10 to my right then both hands on 12 down to 14 16 all kinds of textured sounds it comes from being a 4 piece kit player with 14 snare 12 tom 16 floor 22 kick my fav sizes ive had injuries broken arm right wrist Carpull tunnel op on left hand my set up is very compact and easy to get around kit 8,12,10,14,16 22 14 x6.5 brass full floater first model Left right crashes ride on right and china on right splash dead centre of two crashes hi hats to my left my set up came as i developed and due to injuries when i gig its piece all day with double pedal Thats Gabrial great to see some one else with similar set up as mine cheers Sean from warwick qld Australia
Yes, after many years of performance I realized is it standard to set a drum set up the way we do? Was it taught? or assumed? Drummers realize that setup and comfortability are important factors. I think we need to experiment and discover what works for us. A different approach. Being right-handed would I have started with using my left-hand ride and hihat from the start as an option. The longer we perform we realize a different way of thinking. Open your mind to many possibilities, create as you imagine to play and listen to the music.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for contributing to this thread.
Interesting concept. For me - setup and number / sizes of toms depends on what music I’m playing.
Exactly what i was looking for. A well explained answer.
I did this about a year ago with my kit and absolutely love it. I specifically did 12 and 8 mounted and a 14 inch floor tom on the right. Your comments on the ride cymbal with the 8 is spot on.
Yes sir!! Thank you so much for the explanation. I was the drummer that asked the question.
I've been doing this for over a decade as well. Love it!
I like to change my setup somewhat often. It keeps me on my toes and encourages different ideas.
Great video. Thanks!
Me too, that drum on my left over the years has been every from a djembe to an aux snare and even a table full of hand held percussion instruments
Camera placement is Ideal. I can see so clearly! Thanks Gabriel
I’m so glad you liked it. I was filling that with an iPhome 8. The camera was messing with me lol
YES! Been playing for 40 years and switched to this 15 years ago. I’ll never go back. All rack mount. Rack mount sustains and sounds bigger than floor toms; and allows use of smaller size toms without losing low pitch. Try opening your hands by pushing the hat forward next to high tom. It’s still cross hand style but your sticks are never “crossed”. It unhandcuffs you and opens even more doors. Especially for flow and power.; brings your left tom closer too. (cut the pole short on your hat) Also, if like, you can eliminate the right rack tom and bring your ride down real low like a standard 4pc set up. The entire kit becomes low like it’s set on a table in front of you. Great on stage.
You’re 100% correct about the creativity this stimulates. I love to lace my foot into the tom fills in creative ways that not only sound kool but buy time to move my hands around.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I have a friend of mine that comes to mind immediately when I listen to describe your setup. he also got me interested in the Gary Chaffee method of sticking.
Put a practice pad or hard surface on the floor under the floor tom
Hey Gabriel, your toms sound absolutely beautiful.
It was probably about ten or fifteen years ago, but I used to share a kit with a left-handed player. It got to the point where I would swap the ride/hats, snare/floor tom, and call it a day. That left me playing with a 10" mounted tom between my 12" up and 16" down, and it really suited my playing style-I usually played a four piece with 12/16, but I had all the advantages you mentioned.
It's probably been about 7 or 8 years ago now, I started playing another backline kit regularly with 2up/2down. I played it straight for a while, I swapped the rack toms for a bit. Then another drummer set it up 1up/2down, leaving 12/14/16, and setting te 10 aside. I played that for a while and got used to it.
Then a few years ago, I moved the 14" floor tom to the left of my hats to make a particular sticking pattern for a particular tune easier. It would bounce back and forth from time to time, but it's mostly stayed on the far side of my hats since then, and I sometimes replace it with an aux snare to try replicating some kind of effected sound if I'm feeling inspired.
I guess I never really thought about it, but it's interesting how things just organically grew and I ended up with more flexibility and more tools in my belt...
A full tool belt of comfortable set-ups can be an advantages attribute for a drummer. Thank you btw, i spend a lot of time trying to get my tom tuning together.
I’ve arrived at a similar but more mirrored configuration that I am loving. 1 up 2 down because I prefer the ride mounted low on the kick and positioning auxiliary hats where most people would have a cowbell mounted to the bass drum hoop. I like smaller sizes so 20” kick, 10” rack 12” & 14”floor toms on the right & to the left of the hi hats, set at the height of a pair of “left handed” floor toms, 8” & 10” roto toms. It’s definitely inspiring some more melodic type approaches.
I used to do those exact sizes, set up the same way, except I had a djembe or a conga where you have the roto toms. As a matter of fact the drum I'm using now is the first 22" kick I ever owned.
@@DrumTipTuesday yeah I moved on from 22’s & 16’s long ago. Also forgot to mention I have a jam block mounted over the roto’s so am experimenting with stickings to achieve percussion parts with the left side & drumset parts with the right, or some combination there of.
Very interesting how your setup creates essentially two sets of toms on your kit. Your solo was exquisite and did a wonderful job of demonstrating how useful that kind of setup can be.
Thank you. I'm glad you like it and I hope it gives you ideas about using your setup to stimulate further musical creativity.
I play right handed, always have, but over the years I've given quite a bit of thought to starting fills with the left hand as I descend down the toms.
My exact setup. I forget where I picked it up from, but it makes it soo much more versatile. i think it stems from me marching tenors. ( yup, it was Purdie atually)
Very impressive. You’re a great drummer. I love the concept of this set up. I have always been a 3 up 2 down player. 8,10, 12 14 , 16 and some times an 18 floor. I really like this idea As for your playing it’s easy to notice you have no wasted movement in your playing and you doubles are super sweet. Love your channel. I’m a new sub
Thank you so much. I’m glad you’re finding something here that you find useful
Inspirational indeed 👍
2 up, 1 down. 10,12,16. Right handed. Interesting video dude. Thanks!
I see you growing your channel too. Keep it up brother
Two mounted and one floor Tom. Standard way of drums for most. I did have three mounted but I took the small one off and never put it back on. Small 8 inch I believe.
Love your videos and I’ve already learned some interesting things from you so keep up the great work 👌
Thank you very sir. I appreciate the feedback
That makes so much sense! This will fit my style completely.
I'm glad you can relate to this kind of setup. Also, sometimes I swap out the 12" tom with a 12" snare that has the same tom mount.
Glad I stumbled across your channel and this video. Not sure if I ever watched any of your videos before, but I just subscribed.
I'm currently reworking my setup. Again. Lol. As of today, 10 and 12 rack toms, 16 and 18 floor tons on right, 14-in roto tom on the left. I'm using Eclipse offset double pedals so my snare is right in the middle. My hi-hats are directly between my snare and my kick, cable operated from left foot. So two up, three down.
With this setup, my rack comes were a little higher than I like. But I will be able to get them better positioned once I put everything on the rack. When I came across this video, I was considering switching my 10 and 12 around like you have now.
Thank you for subscribing. I would definitely try switching the toms if only for a while to see how it feels.
Right handed and my set-up is. 2x24 B, 6-8-10 up left, 12-13,15 up, 18 down. Yea big but fun. Neil Peart guy. Loved the flavoring you did on the kit, sweet.
Thank you for sharing the dimensions of this beast. It can be nice to have a large pallet to color your music.
I also love the ability to throw a tasty flam with the snare and the 10" . Ads flavor ;)
Flams off the 10" are sweet. Oddly enough it took me a while to loosen up my snare drum flam approach to make it sound good on drum set.
@@DrumTipTuesday Yeah, i noticed you play TIGHT. One of the last videos you did a fill breakdown on the marching snare pad. Your technique was off the chain clean. Stick heights are NOT to be underestimated. thay up stroke is super important if you are going to play clean.
I marched stacked double bass, snare and sextupple tennors back in the 90's when the Dynasty drums were STUPID heavy. I think my tenors with harness weighed in at like 78, lbs or something. A heck of a lot of weight for 115lb me on the field lol. Anyway, I favor this setup for the exact reason I LOVED tenors. Save for swapping the higher vs lower floor tom sides, it is much the same pattern as a set of tenors in that you could start at your high tom with the right, then descend tonaly with natural left right sticking. It also, as you mentioned, gives you 2 sets of toms, in 2 chromatically different tone ranges. Because I play a double pedal, with my toms spaced out, it allows me to move my left pedal over the Hats to the outside.
Oddly enough YT keeps deleting my other comment. Likely because I included a link to a picture of my described setup:
Snare front and center, To my far FAR right I have 2 16" floor toms, with a set of closed hats between them. Above that my Ride, 10" below the Ride to my right, 12" to the left of that 13" to the left of my main hats, 10" side snare to the left of that, then above those from right to left 6 8 an 10" rototoms.
I was thinking adding a ride on the left side as well, essentially making the left side of my kit a kit of it's own. I had contemplated putting aux hats aside the 10" side snare. I can ride on my paragon crash, I have my jam bloc, Roto toms, a snare if needed and a 13" tom.
@@TheDivergentDrummer Out of curiosity, do you tune the two 16" floor toms differently or do you try to match them?
How do you use them? Is it sticking options related to the closed hats, or is that unrelated?
@@toomdog Well, they are tuned differently, but are also very different drums. My primary FT is a 16" Tama Starclassic Maple, with an Evans Hydraulics (red) on the batter and the original Tama branded Evans reso.
The second one, is a vintage ( Narrowed it down to like 1964 ish) Stewart 16", with no reso head, and a Remo Pinstripe batter. Mostly because that is what was on it when I stole it from the other kit. I'm still going to buy a hydraulics head for it tho. Because it has no bottom head, I can get the tuning lower on it, and it hits like a cannon.
I was watching a Modern Drummer piece with Thomas lang the other day ( MD solo from this year I believe) and I couldn't hlp but be amazed by the sound of his toms. So deep and airy. Then I noticed ALL his toms are concert type toms with no reso. No wonder his low toms seem so airy and fat. So low that Tim Foust would be jealous!
@@toomdog Weird, I replied to this comment. ffs RUclips is being stupid lately. Irritating to say the least, being as my comments are never short, and always have a lot of thought, and even sometimes research in them. so to have them go missing if frigging INFURIATING!
So, to answer your Q: I have a kind of unique way of tuning. I like to tune my toms to their actual resonant frequency. that being said, my primary kit is a Starclassic Maple, and that 16" floor tom goes LOW. I tune that tom to the shell' resonant frequency. I like to 'science tune' my drums. In doing so, I have learned to pick up the overtones of each lug rather succinctly. So if a toms shell resonates at a an E, I'll tune the drum so that the heads are vibrating at the same frequency as the shell.
So, primary floor tom, Maple shell, Evans Hydraulics on the batter and Evans G1 Genera clear (original Tama badge) on the reso.
The other 16" is a circa '64 Stewart MIJ (year approximate) with no bottom head with a Remo Pinstripe, mostly because that is what was on it and i didn't have another hydraulics for it. That said, it hits like a cannon, and can go nice and low.
now, my 10" side snare and my 10" tom, when tuned to where they naturally sit comfortably, with hydraulics on them, come out almost exact every time, without even trying. Ill tune them, sit down and they are identical lol. So I pitch the side snare up. It has a set of 6 8 and 10" Roto toms right there, and is seated beside a 13" racktom.
Usually 2 up 1 down- 10 12 16 with the 10 and 12 offset to the left mounted on a stand which makes for a better, lower ride placement. The ride is mounted off the bass drum's tom mount with a boom arm.
Sometimes I'll add a 14 inch floor tom for 2 up 2 down to the left of the hi hats because it would make the 16 too hard to reach if I put it on the right.
Where you have your 10 & 12 makes the most sense to me if you're going one up two down.
I like this set up with the highest tom closer to the center and the other lower ones out to the sides. Better stereo image than the traditional high to low.
I think so. As a matter of fact when I mix my audio I pan the toms from performer perspective because I feel I enjoy the mix better
I am inspired by Jimmy Chamberlin and Stanton Moore. 14 floor tom to my left with a BFSD Halo on it to my left to mimic Stanton's pandeiro. 3 rack toms, 14 10 12 due to heavy Jimmy Chamberlin influence. Two floor toms on the right, 16 and 18.
10,12up, 14,16 floors over two 20" kicks. Right handed player but trying to teach myself to play open handed, tried to play most of my last gig open handed. Recently added 4 octobans to my left cause I've always wanted a set.
octobans! I always wanted to get some of those to play around with but I still haven't... jealous lol
I think those are my next move. I think If my wife has anything to do with it, They will just appear here one day. May change her mind when she sees the price lol. For me, I'd put Octobans over my 2 floor toms. I've training my left side to do a lot of the leading. I really shouldn't have neglected that lol. Me it's not so much playing open handed, but being open with my feet.
@@DrumTipTuesday infinite amounts of fun. Not always musically appropriate, but still great!
@@TheDivergentDrummer that's pretty much exactly what happened to me, my wife saw them after I'd been grumbling about them for years, next thing, they were here.
@@adambloodfist3368 Happy wife, Happy life lol. and drums. always drums.
Three up three down first floor Tom is under high hats to left. What kind of drumheads are you using on your kit? Great video. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Thank you. In this video I'm using Evans heads. Genera on the snare, 200 ml weight on the bottom head. On the toms I'm using G2 clear on top, random single ply clear on the bottoms. Emad on the kick
I use 2 up and one down, but you've given me reason to try something different.
Nice, I’m glad it was thought provoking
Sounds great..great drumming..your hands are fast, could you possibly make a video on your hand technique please.
Thank you. I will make more videos on hand techniques but I do have two you may be interested in for now:
This is the Drummers Best Exercise for Hand Speed
ruclips.net/video/xC6zmtnupWY/видео.html
These are the DRUM SECRETS of HAND TECHNIQUE
youtu.be/s2bdv7h
Great sounding kit Nice stuff akways inspirational
Right handed. 12" up, 14" down generally. Sometimes a 16" floor tom on the left. And an SPD-SX lives between the 12" and the 14". Though I'm thinking of swapping those two positions, having the 12" tom in tom 2 position and the SPD in tom 1 position to get it even closer to centre of all the action. I'm already a lot happier having the SPD in tom 2 position as it makes incorporating it into grooves a lot easier than having it left of hats or over the 14" floor tom. So I'm thinking it will be a worthwhile experiment.
Any time I have to do triggers I tend to put it on the left. I think the next time I use triggers I'll try it where you have yours now. Thanks for commenting
AWESOME video! Love your conceptual playing. My question is how do you pan the mics/channels? Do you pan them according to how they are set up? Or the traditional way? I know that this question would probably sound like it has an obvious answer, but I seriously don't know how you handle the panning situation. Would you please explain? Thank you again for your great video!
Subscribed to your channel while watching this video. Love your approach. More cerebral, yet practical content. You have found your own unique niche. All the Best to You with your channel!
Thank you for noticing the audio production. I pan from the performer perspective which is just opposite of the typical. I do this because I record drum lessons and so the performer is also the audience. Also be careful to pan the overheads the same as the close mics (I made that mistake lol)
@@DrumTipTuesdayThank you so much for your reply!
I pan the same way, although my kit is a traditional 2 up, 2 down setup. Please forgive the coming "name drop", it's relevant. 😂
I work from time to time with Andy Bradley, who is a multi Grammy Award Winning recording engineer.
He helped me get my audio mixer settings, levels, etc. all set up for recording drum tracks.
Of course, I HAD to ask him how he panned everything. He does it just like you and me! So, the point is that there is a significant amount of validation for this type of panning.
So, my next question: Do you think we're total Drum Nerds????😂😂😂
Love your stuff, Brother! Keep going. All the Best to You!
I have been learning/playing for 3 years... I am 47 years old... I have a 22" bassdrum, 14" snare, 12" tom, 10" tom and 16" tom. In beteenw thw 12" ans 10" I have a 11" hi-hat and a 6" splash. At the begining it feels weird, then i realized it gave a different approach🤘👍
Reading this post made me put my 6" splash back on the kit lol I used to love that thing, and I think it's time to reunite.
@@DrumTipTuesday Nice!!!
Interesting idea, your ride sounds nice, what model is it?
Thank you, the ride is the Istanbul 61st Anniversary 22". I did a whole video about the cymbals I use if you want to watch. Here: ruclips.net/video/ZcCngCUWuXs/видео.htmlsi=US4T7Iw74llISa8g
Checking out your hands booklet Gabriel. Nice work on that. We have a young budding drumline. Mind if I share it with them?
Yes of course, use it with your drum line. Thank you for asking.
@@DrumTipTuesday Sweet. The corps says Thank you. Our corps 'The Blue Saints Drum and Bugle Corps' actually just announced their return to DCI Sound Sport for this season yesterday. They haven't been in competition since '14 I believe. Did you ever march?
@@TheDivergentDrummer Star of Indiana 1993
I have a single kick, 10, 12, 13, 8, 16, 18 toms. Single snare but I'd love to a-b a second snare somewhere. You can't have enough different sound.
I have my toms similar to these, but i have a side snare next to my 13" on my right. Basically makes it a whole other kit with Roto toms, a funky cracking high snare, Jam bloc, splash, 2 crashes and my hats right there. If I were to put Aux hats to my far far right, I could basically turn and use the slave bass drum pedal ad my main, playing the more 'percussion' side kit. Feel free to checkout my setup. I just added a 2nd set of hats this morning lol.
I have a maple 12" snare that I use as an aux sometimes because it sounds so different
Interesting
It’s a good idea to try something different every once in a while
Could it be because jazz players play 1 up 2 down where the rack tom is a 12”?
My first kit was a gift from my cousin and it was 1 up 2 down, I guess I never shook the habit.
Or is it 1990 on a master system 2 vibe #castle vof illusion!🤔😄
I just played a gig where I reversed my toms. My strategy is if I'm playing heavier sounding music I want to start with the beefier rack tom sound.
I've seen Marvin McQuitty do it, I've seen Kenny Aronoff do it and I saw Marco Minnemann do it with 10",12" 8" or 12", 10" 8"
Plus it doesn't help I'm a lefty playing a right handed kit lol
Well, you're in good company. I'm pretty sure Ringo is a lefty on a righty kit.
@@DrumTipTuesday TRUE! same for Will Kennedy, Thomas Pridgen and the late Aaron Spears :)
Left to right: Chimes, 3 roto toms, 8" 10", 1 floor tom 1 bass double pedal. Second floor tom is on the wishlist.
for a long time there was a band that I was in where I set up chimes on my left side like that.
I’m a 10,12,14,16 left handed dude. Though I think I’d prefer 12,13,14,16.
2 kicks 4 rack toms 2 floor toms 2. Snares Tama rockstar
And ironically struck by Man..God forbid that it's 2024 and to think a woman could possibly strike a drum?..#Giuys...get with it honey..me run rings round ya man!!😄🥁
first
I'll beat you to it next time ;)
@@TheDivergentDrummer In Ringo's Beatles world the 2&4 were just fine,
My set up is l shape with my kick at slight angle to right 8inch tom then 12 tom and then 10 inch tom and 16 floor and then 14 floor
I like 12 right in front of my snare and 16 floor on my right to create l shape the 8 and 10 and 14 are all just for flavour i can create some cool fills by starting left hand on 8 to my left the 10 to my right then both hands on 12 down to 14 16 all kinds of textured sounds it comes from being a 4 piece kit player with 14 snare 12 tom 16 floor 22 kick my fav sizes ive had injuries broken arm right wrist
Carpull tunnel op on left hand my set up is very compact and easy to get around kit
8,12,10,14,16 22
14 x6.5 brass full floater first model
Left right crashes ride on right and china on right splash dead centre of two crashes hi hats to my left my set up came as i developed and due to injuries when i gig its piece all day with double pedal
Thats Gabrial great to see some one else with similar set up as mine cheers Sean from warwick qld Australia
Thank you for sharing your setup ideas, while helping to grow our community